Where are the Church Grown-ups and WHY Do I Have to be One?

Where are the Church Grown-ups...  and WHY Do I Have to be One?

Pastor Charles Hodnett

1 Cor 4:15 For though you may have ten thousand teachers in Christ, you do not have many fathers.

What an amazing time to be on planet earth! With the ability to relax on my back porch and dictate to my iPad while listening to my wind chimes and Delta Airlines overhead, with years and years of history behind us and incomprehensible information available at our finger tips via the google, yahoo, and safari search engines, I marvel at the snails pace of the Bride of Christ in her maturation process.

Yes the earth groans in eager anticipation of the manifesting of the sons of God, and the Sons of God are feeling the earths resonation, sensing the urgency of the moment, divinely dissatisfied with the current state of affairs, but yet we continue in our cyclical patterns, doing the same things day to day and week to week while expecting things to somehow miraculously come out differently.

Somehow we have allowed ourselves to become captivated by personalities and talents, while missing the true servants and gifts, creating a system of hired hands and catchy slogans, ignoring the need for sons, personal ministry, and real relationship. Well, unaddressed behavior never changes...

Forgive me for my muse, but does it not seem that in a multitude of denominational/religious/Christian circles, the self proclaimed ministerial elite look more like carpetbaggers and used car salesmen than mentors, shepherds, elders and fathers?

Have we traded the scent of sheep for the even cheaper smell of popularity and the misleading stench of personal fame?

Pump the brakes! Stop the press! Jump from the train! Get off the merry go round!

The winds of change are blowing, and its time to chart a new course and hoist new sails.

A few years ago a book was circulating with the "You have not many Fathers" theme. The basis of this theme was and is very plausible, almost everyone in ministry has had a desire, or recognized a need for mentors or "spiritual dads". As an inexperienced pastor, I too saw a personal deficiency in mentoring, so I like many others went on the quest to find "DAD!"...

While I completely agree in principle with the truth that the Apostle Paul was communicating, what I discovered could not have been further from it. Ministers young and old began to flock to the popular or seemingly successful larger ministries in search of validation and credibility. What many discovered was that for nominal offerings (money) you could receive the tape of the month, and possibly get on the calendar for an annual meeting with dad!

Further research (and personal experience) reveals that many talented orators, with all the skills to completely mesmerize the people and draw the crowds into frenzied adoration, lack the gifting or the commitment for true discipling or parenting. In many cases, the pontiffs and prognosticators are actually more insecure and needful of validation and credibility than the ones seeking them.

I shall never forget the morning our first child came into the world, my wife had been in labor all night and most of the day before, exhausted from the process, but when I looked into the eyes of my this baby girl, I felt an overwhelming mixture of love, awe and terror. I knew at that moment my life had changed forever, I now had a completely different level of responsibility, I had no choice but to become a grown up! This tiny person was totally dependent on me for food clothing and shelter, but also for her security, self confidence and identity.

Parenting in the natural or spiritual is a tremendous undertaking that requires total commitment. Sir Edmund Burke once stated "the only thing necessary for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing", if you have recognized a need for a maturing of the Bride, for the Church to become relevant again, then you may very well be part of the answer.

As I struggled through the process of raising my four children, I myself eventually became and adult, as I struggled through the process of raising my local congregation, I became aware of the growing needs of others in ministry and their own search for validation and credibility. Sometimes our greatest education is in the realization of what's missing, not in the problem itself but the solution, and I have committed the rest of my days, to be the parent, the mentor, the leader that encourages, validates, and produces growth in everyone that I can influence.

Yes, I have become a "grown up" NOT because I wanted to, but because the ministry road is in serious need of pavement, and the love of our true Father compels me to help others on their way...

On Being a Woman Pastor

Pastor Tracy Hodnett

Growing up in a Baptist church, I had a view of women in ministry that was very limiting. I was taught that women could only teach other women or children, but somewhere deep within my spirit I new that this was wrong but didn't quite know why. This way of thinking had an air or attitude that women are less than men and children were even less than women or (very low on the totem pole). The Lord broadened my understanding in this area even before we left the Baptist church, and began using me in many different ways.

I remember the day when my husband and I were talking about ministry, deciding whether or not to take a pastoral position, and I said to him "I do not want to be a wall flower or just a pastor's wife, I have a calling too and it is just a relevant". My husband said "finally you see what I see!" From that day forward we have co-labored...together.

Co- is a prefix that means together, mutually equal, joint, praise The Lord!
Paul said that we are JOINT HEIRS with Christ (Romans 8:17)

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female, for you are ALL one in Christ Jesus.

I am very blessed to have a partner in ministry, because on the best day in ministry, it is still hard. My husband is blessed because he has a partner who will stand beside him, not behind or ahead, we are co- workers together and co- workers of Christ. Our ministry flows very well together, where one stops the other starts, and vice versa.

As parents we have had to learn to wear many hats, and to know or discern who's wearing what hat in any given situation. At times I have had to be the father to my children and at other times my husband has needed to be the mother, but it doesn't change who we are. I know when my husband is speaking to me as my pastor and not as my husband, and being willing to submit to the pastors spirit, and the same for him.
If the church could learn this lesson, it would do well Ephesians 5:21 "submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.

In the first part of 1 Corinthians 3, Paul speaks of their immaturity because of their focus on the messenger and not the message.

Galatians 3:28 there is neither male nor female (the bride of Christ is not based on gender) for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

1 Cor 3:16 Don’t you know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit lives in you?
When we enter into the kingdom, it is by the Spirit, we become the temple and the bride neither based on gender but faith...

Rev 22:17 The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” Let the one who hears this say, “Come!”

Dr. Kluane is a Commissioned Ambassadorial Apostle by Apostle John P. Kelly. She is an international apostolic minister, author, mentor, teacher, and friend to the Body of Christ. She has a mandate to release:

1 - The "Revealing of Christ in a People. 2 - Present Truth. 3 - Life-changing Third Day reformational concepts. 4 - The fullness of the finished work of redemption to the nations


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